1x19 The Return

[once_upon_a_whatever]

I totally thought August was Bae...just because August being Pinocchio never made any sense to me. Magic made pinocchio a real boy...Storybrooke is magic-less until Emma came along...so where was August hiding until Emma showed up and if he was awaken from his woody state after Emma's arrival why is he reverting back?

Who was August talking to one the phone. If it was Bae as suggested, where is Bae now? How did he meet August?

Questions, questions, questions.

And I keep thinking Emma keeps making one bad move after another. She could've used Sydney to mislead Regina instead of confront him and call him out.

maybe its like in the peter pan world emma has to believe for the magic to happen like peter and flying...

[MadEyedWookiee]

maybe its like in the peter pan world emma has to believe for the magic to happen like peter and flying...

I love that theory! It would explain Jefferson's rant about her being the only one able to make the hat work.

[Mike0908]

I thought August was calling Henry on the phone to help him sneak into Mr. Gold's shop. Cause the next scene the two are together and Henry was asking a bunch of questions. So it looked like August hadn't clued him in to what was going on. Unless he had another off screen phone call.

[Rumple]

I love this episode. I was so happy when I thought he was Bae,but then he pulled that knife stunt and I knew it wasn't him.When they revealed that the reason Rumple wanted the curse was to

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be with his son again, I knew we wouldn't see Bae for a while

because that'd probably be the end of the show and what breaks the curse:

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Rumple and Bae getting reunited.

Anyway, I don't trust that Blue Fairy. I think she's evil and that she lied to Rumple about there being no good ways for him to get back to his son. I think she probably had more beans that she was hiding,but she just wanted to mess with Rumple for some reason. And she only told Bae about the beans and not other ways to break the Dark One's curse even though as we saw from Belle's episode, Rumple falling in love and being kissed by the one he loved was starting to break the curse,yet she didn't tell Bae about that cure for his father. I think she had the whole curse thing planned all along and Rumple and Regina are just her pawns. She's the one pulling all the strings. I still don't want him to be Pinnochio and not just because he wasn't Bae,but there's other reasons. For one thing, blatantly wrong hair color. When August asked Rumple about Bae, "Do I even look like him?", I was screaming, "Yes! You do. More than you look like Pinnochio anyway." in my head. I don't think Pinnochio has the right eye color either. August had the wrong eye color,but the right hair color. However, what I have a bigger problem with more than looks, is how blatantly obvious they made it on who he is if he is Pinnochio. I want it to be a twist where he isn't Bae or Pinnochio and then we can all go, "Oh! So that's who he was!I wonder why we didn't see it? It all makes sense now!"
I have to say though that August is one hell of a liar. I totally believed him about being Bae until the knife incident.I don't want him to be Pinnochio because as well as the above,the personalities don't match. I mean, how many of you guys can see Pinnochio riding to town on a motorcyle in a leather jacket like some kind of bad boy?It just doesn't fit the character. (He was just a dopey little boy that used to be a wooden puppet.) Anyway, I was trying to think of other characters from fairy tales who lied alot and suddenly, the Boy Who Cried Wolf came to me. It could totally fit seeing as

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Ruby/Red

is the big bad wolf in FTL so he could have cried wolf lots of times before when there was no wolf,but then the last time

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Red

actually did show up as the wolf. As for who he was talking to on the phone, I think it was just Henry as right after that scene he was with Henry trying to get Henry to help him get information about Mr.Gold saying it was part of their plan to get people to believe in the curse. Maybe Gold wasn't looking for his son because he isn't able to leave Storybrooke or because he wanted his son to come back to him on his own.

[Thomas Vivaldi]

I love that theory! It would explain Jefferson's rant about her being the only one able to make the hat work.

Me too. Plus, it'd call into question the Rumpel/Baelfire story. If this is a world that needs magic, and not a world where there is no magic, maybe Rumel's curse took them to the wrong place.


Anyway, about the Blue Fairy. I don't think its malicious, it might be that Fairies, being naturally inclined to their type of magic, don't believe or are zealously anti-love cause it makes their magic uncontrollable. Hence her sabotaging Nova and Happy's romance. So she as the head fairy is strictly against it doesn't believe in its true power.

[LexaM]

I agree with Thomas Vivaldi, the blue fairy probably does not hold all the strings in the game, she doesn't seem to have a motive to want to control both the Queen and Rumple. I think that she recognizes love as a power, because she mentions to Baelfire that Rumplestiltskin is only human because he still loves his own son. She probably thought that love would be enough to drive him back.

But it now also makes sense why Rumplestiltskin did not want to kiss Belle and turn back. I think at that time, the curse was probably not finished, and he still needed his power to create the curse. In that moment he ultimately had to choose between having love now, or keeping his magic to find his son.

It seems like all of his deals will root back to him being able to create the curse.

I think the Queen is so used to people being able to believe her through intimidation that she has forgotten how to either lie well or cover her tracks. For some reason it's like she's frustrated that Emma is not as blank as the other people in town. Also probably not much happened to upset her in the last 28 years.

I am getting a little confused on timeline too. So was David in a coma for 28 years before Emma arrived?

[MadEyedWookiee]

I agree with Thomas Vivaldi, the blue fairy probably does not hold all the strings in the game, she doesn't seem to have a motive to want to control both the Queen and Rumple. I think that she recognizes love as a power, because she mentions to Baelfire that Rumplestiltskin is only human because he still loves his own son. She probably thought that love would be enough to drive him back.

But it now also makes sense why Rumplestiltskin did not want to kiss Belle and turn back. I think at that time, the curse was probably not finished, and he still needed his power to create the curse. In that moment he ultimately had to choose between having love now, or keeping his magic to find his son.

It seems like all of his deals will root back to him being able to create the curse.

I think the Queen is so used to people being able to believe her through intimidation that she has forgotten how to either lie well or cover her tracks. For some reason it's like she's frustrated that Emma is not as blank as the other people in town. Also probably not much happened to upset her in the last 28 years.

I am getting a little confused on timeline too. So was David in a coma for 28 years before Emma arrived?

Yes, he was.
Also, I basically agree with what you just said.

[Pandora's Imp]

If August is Pinocchio and since he mentioned to Rumple that he was not well then lets say that perhaps that him needing Emma to believe is that if magic does not exist, he will go back to being a "wooden boy"

I that's what's happening too. As far as why now - maybe it has to do with Emma starting time moving in Storybrooke?

Who was August talking to one the phone. If it was Bae as suggested, where is Bae now? How did he meet August?

I'm starting to think that he was talking to the Blue Fairy/Mother Superior on the phone, pure speculation but I have a feeling she remembers.

If Bae is still around and that's a BIG if to me (The writers will need to explain timeline for it not to be a huge plot hole to me) Then he could be working with August and he could have had something to do with the book but I don't think we'll get resolution until next season when we find out about the Books author.

My initial thought was that he could have came through a long time ago and met up with the brothers Grimm and it's a descendant of Bae's that's helping August.

Maybe its like in the peter pan world Emma has to believe for the magic to happen like peter and flying

I think so too. But I don't think that's enough to break the curse just a start.

[once_upon_a_whatever]

Yes I think it only the start for Emma to believe their a chance for magic to take place in tht world cos I got a feeling Emma a bit magical like how gold said to her once I think your more powerful than u realise.. Or something like that think it the key into makin them believe but they still gotta get back to FTL for the curse to truly broken

[MadEyedWookiee]

Was FTL destroyed with the curse, or did the curse simply transport everybody to our world? I think they talked about it, but I don't remember...

I think that Emma has to start believing to keep breaking the curse. It was already weakened simply by her arrival in town. I like to think the curse will be broken when Regina or Rumple or both are redeemed.

Maybe August is Bae's son or grandson. Maybe Bae wrote the book and passed it on to August. Doesn't explain how it arrived in SB, tough. He might also be really sick (which I kinda doubt...maybe he's cursed).